{"id":18127,"date":"2016-12-08T13:58:32","date_gmt":"2016-12-08T13:58:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.impactmania.com\/im\/amir-abo-shaeer-project-based-education\/"},"modified":"2025-11-14T09:01:11","modified_gmt":"2025-11-14T09:01:11","slug":"amir-abo-shaeer-project-based-education","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.impactmania.com\/im\/amir-abo-shaeer-project-based-education\/","title":{"rendered":"Amir Abo-Shaeer: Project-Based Education for the Future"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.impactmania.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/Amir-Abo-Shaeer_headshot-e1481240078184.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-4016\" src=\"https:\/\/www.impactmania.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/Amir-Abo-Shaeer_headshot-e1481240078184-300x221.jpg\" alt=\"Amir Abo-Shaeer_headshot\" width=\"442\" height=\"325\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Project-Based Education for the Future<\/span><\/h1>\n<h5>BY PAKSY PLACKIS-CHENG<\/h5>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Amir Abo-Shaeer, Founder of <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/dpengineering.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dos Pueblos Engineering Academy<\/a><\/strong>, discusses how DPEA\u00a0prepares students for careers that don&#8217;t exist today.<\/p>\n<p>The\u00a0first high school <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.macfound.org\/programs\/fellows\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">MacArthur Fellow<\/a><\/strong> teacher, Amir Abo-Shaeer, was recently invited to the\u00a0<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/webform\/white-house-summit-next-generation-high-schools\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2nd Annual White House Next Generation High School Summit<\/a><\/strong>.<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>Along with DPEA alumna\u00a0Madison Pickett, he\u00a0traveled to Washington D.C. to be part of a panel discussion in connection with the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.pbs.org\/wgbh\/nova\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>NOVA<\/strong><\/a> School of the Future documentary.<\/p>\n<p>Amir Abo-Shaeer speaks\u00a0with\u00a0<em>impactmania<\/em> about how in addition to\u00a0being\u00a0a high school, DPEA is also a research project in itself, delving into the ways students learn. In the near future, DPEA will be working on\u00a0expanding the successes seen through\u00a0this\u00a0integrated project and technology based approach to benefit other schools, students, and society.\u00a0<!--more--><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>You were recently invited to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/photos-and-video\/video\/2016\/09\/12\/second-annual-white-house-summit-next-generation-high-schools\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">White House Next Generation High School Summit<\/a>. What message did you bring? <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Our world has changed very rapidly in the last 15 to 20 years; school has not changed in a hundred years. The two are now becoming more divergent. How do we address that? What goals can school achieve? What do students need to be successful in this changing world?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Our school, in particular, has this idea of project- and technology-based learning where the projects are real, authentic, and rooted in newer technologies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Give me an example of project-based learning at Dos Pueblos Engineering Academy.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We have chosen to work on installations of kinetic sculptures and science exhibits. These could go into technical museums or museums of art. We&#8217;ve demonstrated that students can work with teachers on a collaborative project by building <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dpengineering.org\/2015-carousel-physics\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Carousel of Physics<\/a><\/strong> that was placed at the\u00a0<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sbma.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Santa Barbara Museum of Art<\/a><\/strong>. It has an intention beyond being cool. There&#8217;s an educational purpose in\u00a0having students participate in an existing industry sector.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">There are exhibit creators, for example, that create exhibits for museums across the country. We&#8217;re exploring this idea of a high school \u2014 a unique facility with students who have been trained to work together collaboratively \u2014 that creates professional exhibits that can actually be competitive with what would be found in an industry setting.<strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/137023238\">https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/137023238<\/a><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong><br \/>\nWith future jobs such as nano medics and 3D body part makers, jobs we have little information about\u00a0right now, how do you educate students to prepare them for the future roles and responsibilities they have to take on?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The way that we address that is by working on something that&#8217;s open ended. As students move into these fields, they&#8217;re going to\u00a0be inventing the field that they&#8217;re working in.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Project-based learning is where the project is well defined. Design-based learning is where we are identifying a set of constraints or a set of problems we&#8217;re trying to solve.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Then, we&#8217;re going to address that by solving that problem. In our case, we prepare students\u00a0for future jobs by creating and making installations\u00a0using current technology \u2014 industry standard in terms of the types of mechanisms and electronics. That gets students used to the idea of working with the latest software to achieve their goal.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Give me a specific problem that you put forward.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Carousel of Physics &#8211; The\u00a0challenge was to create something that was an interactive display demonstrating many interesting and exciting concepts in physics.<\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_3845\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3845\" class=\"wp-image-3845 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.impactmania.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/The-Carousel-of-Physics-1024x461.png\" alt=\"The Carousel of Physics built by 61 DPEA students\" width=\"1024\" height=\"461\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-3845\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Carousel of Physics built by 61 DPEA students<\/p><\/div>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Imagine you&#8217;re sitting in a class where you are inspired by something that the professor does at the front of the classroom. These are the \u2018aha\u2019 moments. We wanted this entire device to present these things on demand and in perpetuity. A demonstration that someone might only get to see if they&#8217;re in a science college class is now accessible to a five year old. \u201cWow, this is how waves form on a plate vibrating&#8221; or &#8220;I didn&#8217;t understand how a Van de Graaff generator works.\u201d On The Carousel of Physics, we have 61 different physics demonstrations happening, delightfully, artistically, and aesthetically presented.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The challenge was how do you get 61 people to work collaboratively together to build a unified installation that is both artistically and educationally coherent and meets specs? That&#8217;s what we were able to ultimately do and prove was possible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>What has been a surprising learning in the process of building DPEA?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I would say it&#8217;s both surprising and troubling: how hard it is to help students bridge the gap between a traditional learning environment and an environment that is more innovative. We find that it&#8217;s extremely challenging to get students who are used to getting points and grades on every assignment and test in this very predictable way to accept us suddenly saying, \u201cWe just want you to be a top performer and work on this open-ended project.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">That open-endedness,\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">which is required of all of us once we become an employee or we start our own company, is not addressed in a traditional school setting. People get their first job and they hear, \u201cWell, yes, you&#8217;ve learned all this stuff in school, but put all that aside. Now that you&#8217;re working in our company, we&#8217;re going to\u00a0train you on how to be effective in this environment.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We&#8217;re watching that transition happen, and it&#8217;s illuminating as to how many ways education is ineffective for preparing people appropriately for the world.<\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<div class=\"video-shortcode\"><iframe title=\"Maker Faire\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/HblpeOZODa4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Do you feel that there are programs in other countries that have figured out education more so than we have in the U.S.?<br \/>\n<\/strong><br \/>\nI have only seen it through limited experience. It&#8217;s worth looking at some of these documentaries. In Finland there&#8217;s much less of a focus on homework, there&#8217;s more of a focus on process. The students generally tend to do better on standardized tests, even these international standardized tests.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I&#8217;ve been in discussions with folks, and they&#8217;re saying, \u201cLook, the purpose of education is not to prepare people for going off and being successful for working in a company. The purpose of school is to give people a broad liberal education.\u201d I think, \u201cWhy can&#8217;t you have a broad liberal education and maybe have two to four years in graduate school to be ready to participate in the world?\u201d You can do both and I haven&#8217;t really seen examples of people doing that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Unfortunately, education is too often done in isolation and abstraction. We would do ourselves a huge favor if we were clearer about our educational goals.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>How do you scale a program like DPEA? <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In only five years, we&#8217;ve developed a comprehensive integrated high school, engineering, art, and design experience. Maybe in the next couple years, we will have tied some kind of bow on what we&#8217;ve created and say, \u201cThis is something we&#8217;re ready to start spreading.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Some people who have looked at what we&#8217;re doing have said, \u201cThere&#8217;s no way to replicate this, it&#8217;s crazy. You&#8217;ve raised all this money. You\u2019ve got this wonderful facility.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We&#8217;re in California, which is about 46th in educational spending; there are numerous states that are\u00a0spending far more, even with the supplemental money that we raise. We raise about $2,000 per student. That puts us\u00a0below the national average in spending.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Our idea is that we would go to places that are spending well over the national average first, and help them look to reallocate some of their money to offer what we&#8217;re doing, without having to raise money.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>You started collaborating with Crane School (K \u2013 8<sup>th<\/sup> grade)?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Yes, we also started collaborating with other elementary schools.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We don&#8217;t feel that what we&#8217;re doing at the secondary level is ready for prime time, in terms of replication. However, our\u00a0integrated curriculum is ready to be deployed. We felt that the easiest place to start testing our model\u00a0would be in the elementary schools because the teachers control all of the different subject matter. They would be in the best position to try to work toward integration of a variety of subjects.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\">What would be needed to make a social impact with DPEA?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We need to make sure that what we have is sustainable as a research exemplar. We view ourselves as a research institution. The students get educated, but simultaneously everybody here is acting as a practicing researcher.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Then, I&#8217;d identify regions in the country with adequate funding and create other exemplar versions. You&#8217;ll get change if you get enough of these programs in places where\u00a0it&#8217;s not going to\u00a0be challenging for people to start. With all of these exemplars in place, people&#8217;s views on education will change.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Santa Barbara spends little on education, but there are districts in California where they&#8217;re spending $15,000 to $20,000 a kid. The politicians and the folks that are writing policies would look at these grassroots exemplars and say, \u201cLet&#8217;s use these models of successful education. Let&#8217;s put in structures that can enable this to propagate.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Our country is huge. We have so many school districts and many different approaches. However, the\u00a0approach has always been top down, government funded innovation and initiatives being deployed to teachers and schools. There are no companies that innovate like that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In industry and certainly within a startup, people innovate from the bottom up. Innovation is not going to\u00a0come from somebody with a great idea who is six layers removed from the classroom. And then through another six layers of telephone games that turn into something that gets deployed into a classroom<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Who has made an imprint on your professional DNA?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">That&#8217;s an easy one for me. In high school I had a teacher, <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sbcc.edu\/music\/website\/faculty.html#jenkins\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ike Jenkins<\/a><\/strong>. He was my band director. I did band, jazz band, and drumline. Working with him over the course of four years greatly influenced me. For example, the fact that our program was multi-year; we had the same students over the course of four years<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">During senior year, I was able to participate in more aspects of the music department. Even that was built into DPEA\u00a0structure where our seniors have more freedom \u2014 taking the classes necessary to help them matriculate and apply to college.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Ike Jenkins\u2019s approach to teaching was very influential. He wasn&#8217;t doing education to us. We were arriving, collaborating, and developing music together. He was definitely visionary, but we all collectively worked towards that vision.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I could not see myself being a high school teacher if I used the other teachers as a models. Ike\u2019s existence in my life gave me a model of how I could make an impact that made sense for how I am as a person.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>That&#8217;s wonderful, does he still teach?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He does still teach. He runs a professional jazz band at the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sbcc.edu\/\">Santa Barbara City College.<\/a><\/strong> I think he&#8217;s nearly 80 now.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>What are you not good at?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I am not the traditional academically successful person.<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0Standardized tests didn&#8217;t measure what I could bring to the experience. I worked really really really hard to get reasonable grades.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I worked harder than my peers in physics generally. Every experience that I had was telling me I wasn&#8217;t smart. It was beating down my self-esteem. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Finally, when I was a senior in college, our teacher assigned us a project in our lab class and said, \u201cYou&#8217;re going to\u00a0build a solar water heater and whoever heats the water up to the highest temperature gets an A plus.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It was the first educational experience that connected with me. I did some novel things and won the solar water heater contest. That was the first time that college affirmed what I brought to the table.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">That experience helped shape the\u00a0DPEA. We try to speak to all different types of students. We might have a student that&#8217;s fantastic at computer science but\u00a0struggles fabricating things in the machine shop. People are getting built up. They&#8217;re also realizing there are areas where they can work harder. They are having one consistent message, over and over again, about how they are as a person. They&#8217;re neither being affirmed all the time, nor are they being beaten down all the time. That&#8217;s valuable, because that&#8217;s how we grow.<br \/>\n<\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_4022\" style=\"width: 783px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4022\" class=\"wp-image-4022\" src=\"https:\/\/www.impactmania.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/DPEA_students_2-1-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"Initially, the elective engineering class was set up in a room next to Dos Pueblos High School's auto body shop. Today, it is a complete program with an enrollment of 400-plus students with a 50\/50 split between girls and boys. \" width=\"773\" height=\"515\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-4022\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Initially, the elective engineering class was set up in a room next to the High School&#8217;s auto body shop. Today, the Engineering Academy is a complete program with an enrollment of 400-plus, 50\/50 split, female and male students.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>A lot of what you speak about is clearly part of the education issue. How we teach our children and what they\u00a0learn is outdated. <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Yes, simply look at a standardized test. Some students will do better if you give them more time. Some people will not. Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to know the difference?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">You&#8217;ve got someone who&#8217;s going to\u00a0get 80 percent on the SAT, and you give them 10 more minutes, and they get 100 percent. Then there&#8217;s another student who gets 80 percent, you give them two more hours, and they don&#8217;t get any better.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">There are a bunch of different issues. But who cares about time? I&#8217;m not saying to give people seven days. If you&#8217;re feeling stressed, it should be about, \u201cDo I know this stuff?\u201d not, \u201cDo I have enough time to demonstrate any of this stuff?\u201d That&#8217;s a whole different way to look at something.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Maybe there are tests where it&#8217;s important to filter for time. If you want someone to diffuse a bomb, maybe that&#8217;s something where you want people to be able to work quickly!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In many instances you could be screening out something that would be very valuable, for example, conscientiousness on the part of the student.<br \/>\n<\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_4020\" style=\"width: 578px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4020\" class=\"wp-image-4020\" src=\"https:\/\/www.impactmania.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/DPEA_student-683x1024.jpg\" alt=\"DPEA_student\" width=\"568\" height=\"852\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-4020\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dos Pueblos Engineering Academy student in the machine shop. It is part of a 12,000 square-foot facility.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Give me one word that describes your journey so far.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Tenacity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">That\u2019s the word that describes what has been necessary to achieve the journey. There&#8217;s a bunch of other things that have contributed. I think having the belief to stick with something in the face of whatever was thrown my way \u2014 without tenacity there would not have been the success.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Where is this tenacity coming from?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">In terms of creativity and creating something, I definitely have a very deep well to draw from.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I don&#8217;t know if it crosses over if I was going to\u00a0climb Mount Everest!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">When\u00a0I was assigned the solar water heater, I knew that I was going to be able to be successful. I could spend an infinite amount of time pondering how to make it better. I love continuous improvement.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Maybe there&#8217;s also the part of knowing that things are never perfect. It&#8217;s not perfectionism \u2014 it&#8217;s belief that you can always make things better. 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